Dr. Anthony Fauci on his “love, deep friendship” with Larry Kramer

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It was the most unlikely friendship.

AIDS activist and playwright Larry Kramer saw Dr. Anthony Fauci initially personified bureaucratic neglect – a cold and distant presence that did not fully recognize and respond to the tragic extent of a disease that wiped out a generation of gay men. He didn’t grind words and called Fauci a “murderer”.

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And yet things got softer as Fauci began to work more closely with Kramer and the ACT UP activist group he co-founded to develop better treatments for AIDS and HIV. Over the course of more than three decades, an initially controversial relationship developed into a deep friendship.

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Mid to late 80s. I was and am now a US government official. Larry had a problem with how the Reagan and Bush governments dealt with the AIDS outbreak. He started attacking me as the face of the federal government, and he did it in a rather iconoclastic, confrontational, theatrical way.

One of the first things he did was to write an article in the San Francisco Examiner in 1988 entitled “An Open Letter to Dr. Anthony Fauci”. He described me as an incompetent idiot and murderer. He caught my attention.

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The answer is no. I was a bit shocked when this article came out because I didn’t expect it. Nobody had ever done this to me or any other scientist. It was just unknown. He broke all the ground rules, but I never really took it personally. I always joked with him: “I understand that it’s not personal.” It is purely business. “Just like” The Godfather “.

He killed a lot of people. He scared the scientists and regulators. I took the time to listen to the things he wanted to convey. He was the lightning rod. He was good at using outrageous tactics to get attention. What he did was surround himself with a group of young ACT UP children who really took a very intellectual and academic approach to analyzing government efforts. It was like a double blow. Larry would be very outraged to get attention and then they would come in and do the things that would give them a place at the table.

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I started to develop an acquaintance, then a friendship and then a dear, deep friendship with Larry. It went from the confrontation over the years to a place where I actually helped with its medical care. I was an advisory doctor to him and helped him find the right people to get the liver transplant that saved his life a few years ago. We were very dear friends until the end.

The very unusual thing about Larry is that even in the context of a very deep, affectionate affection for one another, he would not hesitate to destroy me publicly. He would do it almost ironically. Once we were both in Ted Koppel’s “Nightline”. I was in Washington and he was in New York. We were very, very good friends back then. We would have dinner. I would visit him in New York and he would come here. We were on the show together and to my great surprise he started talking about how the federal government drops the ball and how Tony Fauci is a disappointment. I’m just saying these horrible things. When the show was over and I got home, the phone rang about 20 minutes later. It is Larry. He said: “It was really great. We did a great job, didn’t we? “I said,” Larry, you just ruined me in front of 10 million people! “He said,” No, no, no, don’t be upset about it. “

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About a week and a half ago. He had received an award. I called to congratulate him and it was very moving because it was clear that he was very weak and sounded very fragile on the phone. We talked for a few minutes, but he was tired. The only thing I feel really good about now is that the last thing he said to me when he hung up was “I love you, Tony” and I said, “I love you too, Larry.”

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Larry devoted himself entirely to the gay community. These were his brothers and sisters. He was concerned about how coronavirus infection would affect people with HIV infection or who were immunosuppressed. He called me a couple of times and wanted to make sure we were paying attention.

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He sometimes crossed the line. He would alienate so many people. I would joke him, “Larry, you can always alienate everyone on both sides of the argument.”

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He is a warm guy and has a good sense of humor. At dinner it is not a trademark. He was just a normal warm person who is very sensitive.

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He wrote a piece about me, so I was definitely interested in her. Well, it wasn’t just about me, I was one of the main characters in the play “The Fate of Me”. If he gets infected and comes to the NIH, he has a doctor named Anthony Della Vida who is interesting. My name is Tony and Della Vida means “of life”. In other words, I’m trying to bring people to life. I think “The Normal Heart” was a classic. I read “Fagots”, another classic.

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He was very smart. This was at a time when we were good friends, but he wouldn’t paint me as the perfect person even though he liked me. So he made the character personable by making him feel like he’s basically a good guy, but he’s very rigid. He didn’t like the rigidity of the federal government, so he put that in the character.

When the play showed Off-Broadway, he invited me and my wife to come. At the reception afterwards he was sensitive because he didn’t want to hurt my feelings. He walked past the reception desk very embarrassed as we drank champagne and said, “Tony, I hope you’re not too angry with me.”

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He really changed the way activist communities interact with scientific and regulatory communities related to medical research and healthcare. He is the founding father of it.

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He was a cage rascal. He was not analytical, but he brought a number of young activists under his wing who were incredibly intelligent and committed – the Peter Staleys, the Mark Harringtons, the David Barrs, I could name them on and on. These were the ones who did the analysis and investigation of the critical studies and medical research. Larry had the job of shaking the cages. It was pure fireworks. It was a movement, but it was one that needed someone out there to wave the torch. That was Larry.

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After we became good friends, I got an award from the New York Academy of Medicine. I came up and it was a snowy night. In most cases, Larry would disturb the event. But when I got to the door, Larry handed out a paper to the people who came through the door and said that the federal government was still not doing enough. He didn’t want to disturb my honor, but he didn’t want to miss the opportunity to protest. So he protested in a very un-Larry Kramer-like way. Usually he would have been out there with a megaphone and said that this guy was shit and was going to get rid of him. He didn’t do that. He did it calmly.

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