WORLD: Mr. Orbán, how was your last conversation with Angela Merkel? Is it true that the Chancellor made a loud voice?
Viktor Orbán: No, the Chancellor has never spoken to me. She is a strong woman. Volume would be a sign of weakness.
WORLD: Merkel was celebrated after the EU summit. Because she enforced the rule of law mechanism that you opposed. Brussels can now impose financial sanctions. Even so, you presented yourself as a winner at home. How does that fit together?
Orbán: The question is: who had a fight with whom here?