Park Ji-won, “The blade of the government’s circumstances, starting with me, the ultimate goal is Moon Jae-in” [한판승부]

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◇ Park Jae-hong> Controversy is growing as reports such as Park Ji-won, a former director of the National Intelligence Service, ordered the deletion of documents related to the death of a public official in the West Sea to a close aide, the Chief of Staff. The prosecution also seized and searched the NIS yesterday in connection with the allegations. What is the position of the parties? I will connect with former NIS Director Park Ji-won. Is the manager with me?

◆ Park Ji-won> Hello. This is Park Ji-won.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> Would you like to say hello to writer Jin and our director, Seong-Hye Kim?

◆ Jin Joong-kwon> Hello?

◆ Seong-Hye Kim> Hello.

◆ Park Ji-won> A lot of hard work.

◇ Park Jae-hong> Yesterday, the prosecution conducted a search and seizure of the NIS regarding the murder of a public official in the West Sea and the repatriation of North Korean defectors to North Korea. What is your position?

◆ Park Ji-won> Since the NIS accused the two former directors, isn’t it natural for the NIS to search and confiscate? I just looked at it dumbly.

National Intelligence Service Director Park Ji-won attends the plenary session of the National Assembly Intelligence Committee held at the National Assembly on the 25th. Reporter Chang-won Yoon
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. But now there has been a report that the director has caught the allegation of ordering the deletion of documents to the chief of secretary A, who is close to him. What is the position of the director?

◆ Park Ji-won> Well. I don’t know if it’s the National Intelligence Service or the Prosecutor’s Office, but they play the media like that and produce it every day.

◇ Park Jae-hong> Report.

◆ Park Ji-won> I do not know how and what I am accused of right now. Is this a democracy and a rule of law? And at first, special intelligence was deleted through reporters.

◇ Jaehong Park> SI.

◆ Park Ji-won> So, there are Mims in the Ministry of National Defense. We have nothing to do with the NIS. Of course we shared it. Since my production department is the National Intelligence Service and the National Intelligence Service is a shared department, even if I delete it, everything remains. So I think that the NIS is automatically saved to the main server when all employees use PCs and computers. The intelligence report will also be on the main server, and if I ordered it to be deleted, it would be there, and if I deleted it, it would contain the deleted one. I was told that I had never been instructed, and yesterday, at a broadcasting station, I instructed the chief of the secretary to delete it. To be clear, I have not been instructed to delete by anyone, nor have I ever deleted without instructing anyone to delete it.

◇ Park Jae-hong> Didn’t the prosecution dispatch forensic investigators yesterday and take the data from the search and seizure? So, if the prosecution finds deletion records on the server, then it could be that someone really deleted them.

◆ Park Ji-won> If you find it, you will find it. If you have deleted it The NIS records have been kept intact for 60 years.

◇ Jaehong Park> Then, if you delete it, who deleted it and the data remain?

◆ Park Ji-won> Everything is here.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> Can you tell who the person who deleted it was?

◆ Park Ji-won> So, there are people who wrote the report, and the NIS is not such a simple organization. If I gave a deletion instruction, it remains, and if I delete it, the deleted thing remains. So, the prosecution said they did a search and seizure yesterday, but the main server is exceptionally unable to do that. What they asked for must have been extracted from the main server by the National Intelligence Service. It must all be there.

◆ Jin Joong-kwon> But now, at first, it was SI information, and then it was the NIS’s own report.

◆ Park Ji-won> That was the second time I changed.

◆ Jin Joong-kwon> Changed. So in the case of Representative Ha Tae-kyung of People’s Power, this is now a report made by the National Intelligence Service for reporting to the Blue House. That’s because you claimed that day 6 appears to have been deleted. What do you think?

◆ Park Ji-won> Well. I don’t know where or how Rep. Ha Tae-kyung saw it, but I can do a report to the Blue House. But since this has been revealed, I’m talking about it. The Ministry of National Defense’s SI intelligence system called Mims.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> Integrated Military Management System.

◆ Park Ji-won> There is a management system. This is each division or I did not know at the time. I found out yesterday that he is also at the National Intelligence Service. Then, when such information is revealed, it is shared with the Ministry of National Defense, the National Intelligence Service, and the Blue House Security Situation Office. There, No. 1 must have reported that something like this exists, for example. Then, with the intelligence, analysts analyze it and create a report.

◇ Jaehong Park> Yes.

◆ Park Ji-won> That’s why, as I say again, if the NIS made the report, it remains on the main server as it was made, and if you tell me to delete it, it remains as it is. However, I never ordered it to be deleted.

◆ Jin Jung-kwon> But at that time, it seems to be the testimony of NIS employees. On the night of the 22nd, the night of the death of a public official who was attacked in the West Sea by the NIS, he worked all night until 12 o’clock at night to unravel the transcript of the wiretapping information. I took it to the Blue House, but the problem is that it is probably the NIS server now. The NIS does not remain at all, that report. That’s why the executives are saying things like this that they are restless.

◆ Park Ji-won> It can’t be. I trust our executives. If you have written a report, it must remain.

◇ Jaehong Park> To file.

◆ Park Ji-won> In the past, in the past, we used the term “mong-goo PC” as our term for the National Intelligence Service. Because there were cases where they just bought a PC and used it among themselves and threw it away. However, since there has been no such thing at all since the current Moon Jae-in administration or recently, it cannot be eliminated.

◆ Jin Joong-kwon> By the way, the inside truth TF launched by the National Intelligence Service is now gone, so they accused it. Are you not claiming this?

◆ Park Ji-won> Well. I don’t know myself. I don’t know where Professor Jin knew that, but I was accused, and he doesn’t know what I was accused of.

◇ Jaehong Park> So now.

◆ Park Ji-won> So, is this a country with the rule of law? That’s it.

◇ Jaehong Park> File.

◆ Park Ji-won> In order to make an accurate accusation, the inspection team has to call me, and now I have the right to hear, ask questions and speak. If there is an accusation, I do not have to give the contents of the accusation to me in order to guarantee the right of defense. Nothing. Then if I keep getting calls from reporters, I’ll find out then, and then I’m not, wait, this and that. What the hell is this?

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◆ Kim Seong-hoe> How do journalists know so well about the data and investigation details exchanged between the National Intelligence Service and the prosecution, the nation’s top security agency, that they call the former director and ask?

◆ Park Ji-won> Well, I don’t know. that. If you look at the past, you can detect a kind of suspect and link it to a specific media. Then, a specific press reports it out loud like a scoop, and then all other media companies cover it up and follow it, and this vicious cycle continues.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> Director, then, this is the accusation against the two former directors, so do you think there is a different background for this accusation? At that time, Lee Myung-bak.

◆ Park Ji-won> Well. I see that the edge of the situation in the Yun Seok-Yeol administration is heading towards the Moon Jae-in administration. And as part of that, I think they are trying to claim that the Moon Jae-in government is a Yonggong, pro-North Korean government by first accusing the two heads of the National Intelligence Service.

◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. Why do you think this kind of situation is taking place? Can we judge this as a means to break through the current low approval rating?

◆ Park Ji-won> You should ask them about it. I don’t know.

◇ Park Jae-hong> Some say that the situation toward the Moon Jae-in government has begun, and there are even interpretations that the final goal is former President Moon Jae-in. How do you judge your manager?

◆ Park Ji-won> I see it that way too.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> The ultimate goal is former President Moon Jae-in.

◆ Park Ji-won> That’s why right now, the focus is mostly on the Blue House. So, what I am really grateful for is President Moon Jae-in, while I was the head of the National Intelligence Service for two years, President Moon Jae-in has never given me any orders regarding personnel or duties. And now, regarding the death of a fisherman in the West Sea, it has been 50 days since I became the head of the National Intelligence Service, so I became the chief of staff of President Kim Dae-jung and I learned politics, but I do not do such illegal things. I went in to reform the NIS, not to manipulate it.

◇ Park Jae-hong> But yesterday, the Ministry of Unification released photos of North Korean defectors repatriated to North Korea in November 2019, so the presidential office is strongly criticizing it as a crime against humanity. How do you hear this criticism?

◆ Park Ji-won> I can do it because there is a public suspicion, but it is against humanity to ask for a thorough investigation. Also, regarding my problem, it is a serious national disturbance. To say such a thing is to give the prosecution guidelines for the investigation by the Blue House, I think.

◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. Then you see that such an announcement of the Blue House government’s position could affect the investigation.

◆ Park Ji-won> That’s right. So, how long is the prosecution not going on now? Of course, if there is any doubt, investigate it. Then it should be a state ruled by law and should be done legally. I don’t know if I’m being sued, I don’t know what it is, I don’t have the right to hear, and I don’t have the right to defend. Is this what a country is like?

◆ Kim Seong-hoe> Democratic Party lawmaker Jo Eung-cheon interviewed Kim Hyun-jung this morning during an interview on the Kim Hyeon-jung news show, and a massive state of affairs awaits. It’s coming out as prepared It looks like this, but how did the director see it?

◆ Park Ji-won> I, Assemblyman Jo Eung-cheon, told me exactly what I wanted to say. I agree.

◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. So, since this is from September 10th, you agree with the interpretation that the current prosecution has entered into the investigation all at once to quickly close any related cases.

◆ Park Ji-won> I have seen such media reports, but I am not interested in them. do it quickly

◇ Jaehong Park> Do it quickly.

◆ Park Ji-won> And if there is, you should. However, it is unacceptable for me to say that they are a state governed by the law, and those who enforce the law are so extra-legal.

◆ Seong-Hui Kim> What is extra-legal about it, Director?

◆ Park Ji-Won> No, try doing the same. If you want to accuse me, you don’t have to investigate me first. I heard that the charges were filed without investigation, but the prosecution also conducted an unusual search and seizure, increased the number of prosecutors, where they were assigned, and why didn’t they tell me the details. You don’t have to know the contents to exercise your right to defend, which is the right of the people. I mean, this is wrong. No, why are you holding Park Ji-won? Gotta get the price.

◇ Park Jae-hong> Recently, the National Intelligence Service.

◆ Seong-Hye Kim> Isn’t it because they couldn’t keep up with the price?

◇ Jae-Hong Park> The National Intelligence Service has issued a standby order for those who have also appointed 27 first-class officers of the National Intelligence Service as department heads. How do you see this? If the government changes or the director changes, is this a normal person?

◆ Park Ji-won> It is also a secret that I went to the National Intelligence Service and said that there were 27 first-class department heads. The NIS personnel will never be disclosed. How do you make it public? How can these military secrets be disclosed and the secrets of the NIS to be disclosed? What is the conservative government’s view of security? What is the intelligence officer like? In North Korea, it will bring happiness. In Korea, publicly speaking this time, the Board of Audit and Inspection had 5 first-class members. Then there are 5 Buddhas, but how many of the NIS are twenty? really big You won’t know the full scale. This is very bad. And, of course, those people have been placed on standby all at once, and of course, they have appointed acting agents, but now the vacancy has passed for more than a month, isn’t it? It’s not a security gap. Are all 27 people like that Park Ji-won and the wrong criminals? I don’t think it is.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> Current keynote director, NIS. He is from the Prosecutor’s Office, and the first deputy chief is former chief of staff Won Se-hoon. And seeing this, the 2nd and 3rd deputy heads are also from the previous administration, and some criticism of this person is coming out. How do you see this kind of greeting?

◆ Park Ji-won> Well. Since the president has changed and the director of the National Intelligence Service has changed, they should say hello to them. But you have to convince me. Of course, the head of the Kijo Office had many former prosecutors in the past, and he came down after being appointed by the Blue House. That’s custom. That’s why I’m not arguing about that person, but it’s wrong to think that the National Intelligence Service of the now-reformed Moon Jae-in government would have done the same thing because they did it while they were working.

◇ Park Jae-hong> The people’s power is insisting on the controversy over the forced repatriation of North Korean fishermen to North Korea, even to the special prosecutor’s office for a state investigation. How do you view this part, Director?

◆ Park Ji-won> It is a matter to be decided by the National Assembly, so why didn’t the Ministry of Unification tell the North Korean defector who said that I haven’t sorted it out yet? If the investigation is ongoing and the audit is in progress at the Board of Audit and Inspection, you have to submit the photo there. Why are you making it public now? I made it public, and at that time, the chairman of the information committee said that the power of the people and the party leader were terrible. Of course, I saw reports that there were people who were against it. It was right and wrong then, and it is wrong now that the president has changed. I think this is a policy issue. So, if it’s the Coast Guard and the Ministry of Unification changes every time the president changes, does it change again if the Democratic Party comes to power after 5 years? The Coast Guard or the Ministry of Unification must do something that will be respected. Even in the current government, if something goes wrong, we have to say it was wrong. In the past, I didn’t say anything, and I took it for granted, but now that the investigation is in progress, what’s going on when it’s suddenly revealed? I don’t understand this.

◇ Park Jae-hong> Democratic Party lawmaker Kim Byung-joo even interpreted it as suspicious that there was some kind of external pressure in our broadcast. How do you judge the manager?

◆ Park Ji-won> Since they are members of the National Assembly, we can talk more actively, but I can’t be shy. No, isn’t it? All the people know. Park Ji-won Why do you try to open it up if you should try to stop this? It’s great that it’s taken as a signal to me to get back into politics, actually.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> Do you accept the president as a signal to come out into politics?

◆ Park Ji-won> That’s right.

◆ Jin Jung-kwon> You really want to resume political activities.

◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right.

◆ Jin Jung-kwon> What kind of activities would you do if you were to recover? Are you going to join the party and take charge of the party? if not.

◆ Park Ji-won> Professor Jin.

◆ Jin Joong-kwon> I asked a useless question. sorry.

◆ Park Ji-won> I’ll think about it for a while.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> President Yoon Seok-Yeol’s approval rating for President Yoon Seok-Yeol is declining. Regarding the current situation, Minister of Public Administration and Security Lee Sang-Min is interpreting this as such that it will temporarily drop, but if the sincerity is conveyed, the approval rating will rise and rise soon. Do you agree, manager?

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◆ Park Ji-won> Lee Sang-min looks like Minister. So, you would say that because you are a minister who wants to create a police department in the Ministry of Public Administration and Security once the police became independent 31 years ago. I’ve been talking about it from the very beginning, in fact. greeting is wrong And doorstepping fresh, but the president’s language, should be done only after the speech has been refined and the staff reviewed. If you make a mistake, it’s a big deal. The third lady Kim Gun-hee’s annex should be created and managed as a public official. How the First Lady conducts her private activities. The fourth and most important thing. Prosecutors say you live in the past, but keep things short and quick. And look at the economic price. If I did as I said, approval ratings would not drop now, would this make sense? 32.5% view support positively and 63.5% negatively. There is a 31 percentage point gap. (The results of a survey conducted by R&Search on 1,045 people aged 18 and over nationwide from the 9th to the 12th at the request of Newspim. The response rate was 2.4% and the margin of error was ±3.0% points at the 95% confidence level. )

On the other hand, Rep. Jae-myung Lee is the next presidential candidate by 38.5%, Mayor Se-hoon Oh is 15.1%, and Minister of Justice Han Dong-hoon is falling by 12.4%.
(The result of R&Search’s survey of 1,045 men and women over the age of 18 across the country on the 9th and 12th, commissioned by Newspim.) How does Minister Lee Sang-min upload so quickly? This is a very important issue. We need the support of the people to gain momentum, the government. Does this make sense? I don’t care about the support of President Yoon Seok-yeol. I was like that at the election. I didn’t care because I was first in the election. But if this happens 30% I don’t know what will happen next week, but if it’s like a cabinet system, the government should step down. So I believe that President Yoon Seok-yeol succeeds and only then the country will prosper. Failure will destroy the country. I received a huge applause from the people and more than 90% of the support for President Kim Young-sam’s circumstances, but didn’t the IMF come to me because of the economic collapse? At that time, the world economy was bad and good, and only our Korean economy was bad. Now look at the world economy US inflation. It’s not that it’s gone up 9.1% in 41 years. We said it went up 6%, but in reality, the price of civilian life is 12-13%. There is a saying that has been passed down from time immemorial. People sleep well when they are full and have a warm back.

◇ Jae-Hong Park> The approval rating of the president has decreased.

◆ Park Ji-won> So, if the economy is bad and prices are bad, the world economy is bad. Do you think our people will be okay if the US also sees inflation? Do you think you can stand it? It doesn’t. For now, I would like President Yun Seok-yeol to listen to the public opinion humbly, and let the women, ya, jeong, and presidents put their heads together and cooperate while enduring the suffering of the people. Politics of unity

◇ Jaehong Park> I understand. I’m going to ask you one last question, sir. One of the reasons for the decline in approval ratings is that Kim Kun-hee is cited as one of the reasons for the drop in approval ratings, and Kim Kun-hee is criticized by lawmaker Ahn Min-seok. How do you see this problem, sir?

◆ Park Ji-won> I also read the article by Ahn Min-seok. I don’t know about that. However, as President Woo Sang-ho said, the annexes keep disappearing, and the troubles that arise from it have a significant impact on the support rating. Therefore, I have to receive public management even if Ms. Kun-hee Kim makes annexes or not. So you keep making mistakes. When I went to Bonghama, I went with the wrong person and suffered a lot of embarrassment. Take a look this time. Did you take him to Spain because he speaks good English? The country speaks Spanish. Does this make sense? Personnel secretary, former prosecutor, and even if my wife went, I have to go. And this kind of thing on a presidential plane comes because I can’t distinguish between construction and construction. So, I hope that President Yoon Seok-yeol and his wife and wife will understand the public sentiment, go along with the people, and work hard on the economy and prices to succeed. What do I want when I am older?

◇ Jaehong Park> I understand, Director. When the time is up, I would like to invite you to the studio next time and listen to the long talk. I will listen to you today.

◆ Park Ji-won> I will definitely leave.

◇ Jaehong Park> The producer will set the date right away. Thank you for your words today.

◆ Park Ji-won> Thank you.

◇ Park Jae-hong> Park Ji-won was the former head of the National Intelligence Service.