■ Broadcast: CBS Radio FM 98.1 (07:20~09:00)
■ Progress: Kim Hyun-jung, anchor
■ Conversation: Haram Cheon (People’s Power Innovation Committee)
After the local elections, both the ruling and opposition parties started to reform the party. First of all, the Democratic Party will hold a general meeting of the House of Representatives today and discuss the composition of the non-captain. The People’s Power swept the election, and an unusually high innovation committee was launched the next day. This is the purpose of ‘preempting innovation and preparing in advance for the next general election through nominations and party reform that meet the needs of the people’. However, some in the party are showing strong skepticism. ‘Isn’t CEO Lee Jun-seok trying to do his own politics? Isn’t he trying to take the nomination initiative?’ This is a doubt. Let me ask you a question. Chairman Choi Jae-hyung of the People’s Power Innovation Committee was appointed as the first innovation committee member. I have a connection with Chun Haram’s lawyer. Hello, Mr. Haram Cheon, Innovation Committee member.
◆ Cheon Haram> Yes, hello. This is Cheon Haram from Suncheon, Jeollanam-do.
Haram Cheon, Member of the People’s Power Innovation Committee◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Who became the first innovation committee member? I looked at him and he is 36 this year.
◆ Cheon Haram> Yes.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> He ran for Suncheon, Jeollanam-do as a candidate for the Future United Party, the predecessor of the People’s Power.
◆ Cheon Haram> It fell cool.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Yes. You were defeated coolly, and now you are the chairman of the party association in Suncheongap, right?
◆ Cheon Haram> Yes, it is.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> How did you come to join as the 1st innovation committee member?
◆ Cheon Haram> It’s not that great. Kim Yong-tae, the Supreme Council member, recommended it, and Chairman Choi Jae-hyung accepted it, and he contacted me last Friday or so, saying, ‘Let’s do well together’. So I joined the Innovation Committee.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Who will be joining us in the future?
◆ Chun Haram> That’s up to the top committee members and Chairman Choi Jae-hyeong to do it, but my expectation is that he has a good understanding of the current political power of the people and the order of the political party, but at the same time, he has an ideal of innovation. I hope a lot of people caught on come.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> What is the role of the Innovation Committee?
◆ Chun Haram> Actually, Chairman Choi Jae-hyung said to me that he received an order saying that it would be good to take a look at the general management of the party and the system, not just the nominations. However, if it is very vague, it is vague and if it is wide, it is a wide range, so there seemed to be a lot of thought about how to proceed efficiently within a limited time. Basically, there is no limit to the fields that the Innovation Committee can handle, as I understand it.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> There is no limit. Among them, the reform and maintenance of the nomination system is now included.
◆ Cheon Haram> Yes.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> There seems to be no big disagreement about the maintenance of other parts, but since they said that they would improve the nomination system, this is being accepted with a little sensitivity. Commissioner Chun, do you think there is some problem with the People’s Power nomination system?
◆ Chun Haram> In fact, until recently, I also worked with Chairman Choi Jae-hyung of the local election nomination committee. At that time, there were a lot of times when I and Chairman Choi Jae-hyeong raised the question, ‘Isn’t this and that part a bit strange, shouldn’t it be like this?’ within the committee. But when I look at it like that, the most common thing I hear is, ‘Oh, I can’t change this now.’
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> ‘I can’t get my hands on it now because it can lead to misunderstandings if I put it in front of the election and change it in front of my nose’?
◆ Cheon Haram> That’s right. I hear most of the times that you should not change the nomination-related regulations or customs now. Then, right now, isn’t it too noisy for the Democratic Party to change the convention rules ahead of the convention? So, in the end, if you touch the rules right before the election, you will be more misunderstood, so now, about two years before the general election, is actually the best time to change the rules or the rules.
Another thing is that it is not me, Chairman Choi Jae-hyung, or a political genius, so we look forward to what will happen two years in advance and consider CEO Lee Jun-seok to take care of CEO Lee Jun-suk’s stake or to steer the CEO Lee Jun-suk’s people. I’m very skeptical that we have it. In the end, we’re thinking too much about this because we want to increase the pool of more high-quality talents with the power of the people and create a rational nomination system that says how to nominate them efficiently and predictably. What kind of a power struggle, taking a stake, or even doing this is overestimating the political capabilities of myself and Chairman Choi Jae-hyung.
◇ Kim Hyeon-jeong> ‘We are not the kind of people who can plan strategies with such a pavement.’ Are you saying that?
◆ Cheon Haram> Because we are not like the 9th dan in politics. I don’t think you need to worry too much about it, and the top committee members all make recommendations. So naturally, if we say that this is a certain faction, the opinions of people with various interests will be reflected, although it is a bit strange.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> For example, Cho Su-jin is also recommended, and Bae Hyun-jin is also recommended one, and that’s all. configuration?
◆ Cheon Haram> That’s right. Also, I’m not sure why you’re talking about our Supreme Council member Su-jin Cho first (laughs).
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> (Laughs) The first thing that came to my mind.
◆ Cheon Haram> That’s right. As you said, people with very different opinions are recommending various people, so I won’t rush or run according to one opinion.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> However, CEO Lee Jun-seok revealed an idea he was thinking about reforming the nomination system, and that was the introduction of the first party system. supreme party member. Now, party members are given the same qualifications if they just pay the party fee, but instead of doing that, let’s give the top party membership to those who have done a lot of activities, isn’t it?
◆ Cheon Haram> Yes, that’s right.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Then, if they apply for nomination later, do they give you incentives, such as some extra points?
◆ Cheon Haram> It must be like that. So, this is what I was most frustrated with when I was nominating for the local election this time. There are very few ways of knowing what this person has been doing on a regular basis. So, if he wrote a certain fighting spirit or wrote a position, the record remains. There is no specific data on what this person did for the party or in the area. To put it simply, since the Civil Service Candidate Qualification Test (PPAT) was introduced, there is such a thing as the lowest grade of the CSAT. However, such data are very scarce, and that is, how much you have been doing regularly, and in the end, letters of recommendation from the party chairpersons who play a similar role to the homeroom teacher play a very important role.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> So, in the life record, what he did during the three years of high school is not written in detail, so the homeroom teacher’s opinion and the homeroom teacher’s opinion become too important?
◆ Cheon Haram> As a result, we come to focus on students whose homeroom teachers love them. Of course, most of the cases are done conscientiously by the party chairpersons, but it is inevitable that these individual applicants have been working hard on a regular basis. So, even if they don’t do this with great courage because they are close with the chairman of the party association, if they accumulate mileage well for those who have made steady efforts for the party and for the region even in the ranks of ordinary members, wouldn’t it be a good opportunity to dramatically increase the talent pool of our party? , and especially with regard to Honam, we still reveal in Honam, what kind of people’s power youth chairperson, because there are people who feel burdened by doing something like this. So, wouldn’t such a system of top party membership be sufficient as an alternative? So, I plan to look forward to it.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> But if you do that, the homeroom teachers, who have shown a lot of strength so far, might be a little sad, right?
◆ Cheon Haram> Yes, that’s why the words are probably coming out. When we said last time that we would adopt the civil service candidate qualification exam, there were also some things that the chairman of the Party Association resisted a little. But isn’t it that we want politics to make the chairman of the party association happy?
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> I understand. But here comes the problem. In other words, ‘After all, it will be the younger generation who are more active than the old, and it will be an advantageous system for party members who support Lee Jun-seok. Isn’t CEO Lee Jun-seok trying to plant his own people? There are some people who doubt this.
◆ Cheon Haram> By the way, that’s a story that doesn’t know the political reality at all. Because if you look at our political frontier, there are far more people who are older than the elderly who have a little more time or money to participate.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Is that right? Isn’t it young people who write actively online?
◆ Chun Haram> These days, people over 50 are also good at writing online. I don’t think it’s necessary to say that this is something that is reserved for young people. Instead, from what we’ve seen in the past, party activities are too offline-oriented, and because a lot of them were done on weekdays, young people could hardly participate. Would the participation of seniors and older people be even less if the top party system is implemented? I don’t expect that.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Then, the opposition voices within the party that are now coming out against the Innovation Committee, and those who oppose them, do you think they are doing their own politics then?
◆ Cheon Haram> So, I was very sad. Actually, when CEO Lee Jun-seok brought up the innovation committee, I thought he was doing it a bit too much. No, this is the original innovation committee, which is a keyword that a party that lost the election should bring up, but how disgusting it would be when seen by the Democratic Party supporters, CEO Lee Jun-seok.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Yes, everyone thought that way at first.
◆ Cheon Haram> So, looking at it on the other hand, politically, it can be seen that our party has preempted the keyword of innovation well. The meaning is somewhat faded, and it appears as if this is a power struggle within our party. So, are you talking about not innovating or not? On the other hand, let’s put off innovation and acknowledge the stake of the next party leader so that the next party leader can do Sichuan. Wouldn’t that be the case? If that is the case, the innovation committee has not yet been formed and has yet to start its activities, but if you see a little activity and criticize it, you should do it.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Then, why do you think they are opposed by great executives?
◆ Chun Haram> Isn’t the party representative election scheduled for about a year from now? As a result, it is interpreted that way, whether it is not the intention of throwing some checks and checks and revealing their own presence in this situation.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> In the end, the essence is the national convention, party power, and nomination right. Do you think that’s not the case?
◆ Chun Haram> Yes, because it is a good time for our party and the Democratic Party to fight. this now.
◇ Kim Hyeon-jeong> But Commissioner Cheon, now that Chairman Lee Jun-seok not only flew the Innovation Committee, but also visited Ukraine, the voices of his own politics and his own events seem to come from within the party. Floor Leader Kwon Seong-dong said, ‘I’m concerned that he went to Ukraine without close consultation with the party government,’ and Rep. Jeong Jin-seok said, ‘It’s nothing more or less than your own politics, a visit to Ukraine’. what do you think?
◆ Cheon Haram> Yes. But to some extent, being a politician is all about managing your own politics.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Of course, yes.
◆ Chun Haram> Because CEO Lee Jun-seok is good at leading issues and maintaining a certain media focus is what CEO Lee Jun-seok is capable of. So, during the election, CEO Lee Jun-seok’s initiative on issues like this is helpful for us, so we suck it up and then after the election, Oh, it’s not just him who gets too much attention, it’s not his politics. I think this is a somewhat contradictory attitude. . Also, regarding the visit to Ukraine, the presidential office replied that they had never expressed any displeasure at President Lee’s visit, and at the same time that our President Yoon Seok-yeol expressed solidarity and support for Ukraine, the ruling party and the party leader of the ruling party I don’t understand what’s wrong with visiting Ukraine and expressing solidarity.
◇ Kim Hyeon-jeong> He said that ‘the party didn’t go well’. The floor leader, Seong-dong Kwon, must have been unaware of it. You were talking about ‘there was no close consultation between the political parties’.
◆ Chun Haram> I don’t know how close it should be, but if you look at the reports now, the visit was made with the cooperation of the presidential office and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the president’s office never expressed any displeasure about the visit. So, I’m not quite sure what the two of Kwon Seong-dong and Jeong Jin-seok’s statements are saying with some understanding of the facts.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> I see. You used these events well during the election, and now that the election is over, you criticize and raise a problem about it. CEO Jun-seok Lee posted a SNS in Ukraine yesterday. What do you think ‘the train is going anyway’ mean?
◆ Chun Haram> It can be interpreted as showing Lee Jun-seok’s unique determination to break through the front, saying that he will do it without hesitation, even if there is criticism of himself.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> But there are people who say that the train may stop prematurely. The party ethics committee will be held on the 24th, and Chairman Lee Jun-seok is now referred to as a violation of the party’s duty to maintain dignity. What do you think of people saying things like, “Will you really be able to maintain your party leader position if disciplinary action is imposed here?”
◆ Chun Haram> If the Ethics Committee makes any decision, especially if it makes a decision to discipline the party leader without acknowledging the facts or evidence, the party representative who was literally elected democratically and who won two big elections, the presidential and the branch election. is the result of being expelled as an arbitrary decision by the Ethics Committee, and I think that it is something that did not exist and could not be in our political history. So, some suspicions are being raised regarding CEO Lee Jun-seok, but it is still at the stage of suspicion and nothing has been revealed. And since the people who raised the suspicions are also those who work hard horizontally and vertically, how much trust can we really have about it? On the other hand, it is a fact that he is the party leader who saved our party, which had been in a real defeat, that led to victory in the presidential election and branch elections. So, when we make certain political decisions, I think it is common sense to prioritize facts rather than suspicions.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> According to the ethics committee official, we are not looking for judicial innocence anyway. It’s just that the question is whether or not the party’s dignity has been damaged with words or actions. In that case, there is a possibility that if you really put your mind to it, there is a possibility of a light punishment or a light punishment, even if it is not a heavy punishment.
◆ Cheon Haram> That’s the realm of the ethics committee’s judgment, but as I said, CEO Lee Jun-seok is very outspoken. And that is a huge asset for our party. But he doesn’t take that into account at all, and CEO Lee Jun-seok is not a god. Then, if you pick out only the wrong parts of Lee Jun-seok’s words and actions with tweezers and the Ethics Committee takes disciplinary action for that, that’s no different from refusing to acknowledge the party leader at all. It’s meant to prevent me from serving as the leader of the party. Well, if that happens, our party will be plunged into a really great turbulence, so I honestly don’t want to even imagine such a result.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> I will listen to you until this point. The People’s Power Innovation Committee has appeared. I would like to thank Attorney Haram Chun, who was appointed as the No. 1 Innovation Committee member.
◆ Cheon Haram> Yes, thank you.