“Lee Jun-seok will eventually go on the path of founding a new party”
“Lee Jun-seok’s disciplinary action will be confirmed next year, ‘Kiggle wiggle’ next year, and conservative division in the beginning of next year”
“Yoo Seung-min, if the party’s mind dominates, it will be difficult for both the party leader and the presidential candidate.”
“The power of the people is the DNA traditionally given to the president”
“In Bundang, President Yoon’s current people will have more power.”
“If Minister Han Dong-hoon grows up to be Crown Prince, Na Kyung-won and Oh Se-hoon are likely to join as well.”
“Han Dong-hoon, in ‘Yun-seok Train’, is going to a sophisticated side…a considerable political foundation”
“Han Dong-hoon, I won’t challenge the party right away… it’s too fast”
“‘Accident of a camel’ can fly. It’s a big problem that there was no announcement for 8 hours.”
◀ anchor ▶
I will bring in Park Ji-won, former head of the National Intelligence Service, to discuss political issues. welcome.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
hello?
◀ anchor ▶
Commissioner, you just saw the report. How do you view the disciplinary action against Lee Jun-seok, former representative of People’s Power? once overall.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
First of all. The ruling party must always respect the decisions of the judiciary. This time, a judgment in favor of them came out, so the presiding judge, I’m from Suncheon High School, so don’t say things like that. I don’t think that’s a desirable attitude as the ruling party, but I think from the beginning Jun-seok Lee, the former president, will eventually go down the road of founding a new party. So I fell to that valley now, but I built up well there and became a new shrine in the beginning of next year. And one more thing to look at is why Rep. Yoo Seung-min is now and now about the disciplinary action of former CEO Lee Jun-seok.
◀ anchor ▶
That’s right. are strongly opposed.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
President Yoon Seok-yeol will not be punished for protesting. In doing so, looking at it now, he is ranked first as the next party leader and the next conservative candidate for the presidency.
◀ anchor ▶
Yes, for now.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
In that case, if there is work in the party with the Yoon Hak officials, I will go to the new hall from there. The third reason is that when Justice Minister Han Dong-hoon continues as President Yun Seok-yeol is now Crown Prince Oh Se-hoon, Daegu Mayor Hong Jun-pyo, and Won Hee-kyo, Yoo Seung-min, and Na Kyung-won. Will these people still be there? So, whatever I do now, due to the disciplinary action of former CEO Lee Jun-seok as of now, next year, there will be a major schism in the conservatives and a new party will be established. I see it that way.
◀ anchor ▶
I think we should ask the factors that divided it in detail. First of all, former CEO Jun-seok Lee entered the path of founding a new party with this disciplinary action, in the long run. Do you see it like this?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Yes. I saw it that way from the beginning.
◀ anchor ▶
If so, it means that Rep. Yoo Seung-min has a chance to seize power in the current party. How do you see it?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
However, the current People’s Power Party constitutional rule is that 70% of the party members, within the party, and only 30% of the people poll the polls, so the people’s opinion must be able to win the vote. Even a presidential candidate is difficult.
◀ anchor ▶
So, to the founding of the new party, Lee Jun-seok to the former president.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
will join
◀ anchor ▶
That time will be around that time, as the general election next year will be announced next year.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Yes. Anyway, if you look at the history of our political parties, the mainstream presidential side always cuts them. Then, it cannot be said that all the members of the current People’s Power are being nominated. And now Seungmin Yoo and others are having problems, so they will all go on the path of founding a new party. I see it that way, and Dong-Hoon Han also has a variable. I see it that way.
◀ anchor ▶
I was going to ask Han Dong-hoon as well. Before that, now, if there is an incident in Bundang next year, if the remuneration becomes Bundang. Do you think Yoo Seung-min or Lee Jun-seok-gye will become the majority, now?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
We’ll have to look at the results of the general election, but for now.
◀ anchor ▶
I’m asking when it’s Bundang itself.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
I don’t think it will be like that then. Still, in the case of the Democratic Party, if you look at it orthodoxly, there is a DNA that unites and fights if there is oppression, but the power of the people traditionally has a lot of DNA that stands in line for the president. That is why the current president, Seok-Yeol Yoon, must have more power. However, no one can predict the outcome of the general election.
◀ anchor ▶
You mentioned it a while ago, but Na Kyung-won and Oh Se-hoon, will these people also be concerned?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
I worry. When Minister Han Dong-hoon says he grows up to be the Crown Prince, he does not sit still.
◀ anchor ▶
Do you see the possibility of joining?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
I see it that way.
◀ anchor ▶
How do you see Minister Han Dong-hoon? about the possibilities. He kept talking.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Ask him to be removed from the current presidential poll. Didn’t Prosecutor General Yoon Seok-yeol in the past asked to remove him? But if you talk about it, it’s rather a fuss. While I was doing it, I put a little bit of politics on it. And, no matter what, this time is a government audit, a cartoon, or the Yunseok Train. As for comics like this, he’s going a little bit more sophisticated, so he’s also taking quite a political stance. I felt that way.
◀ anchor ▶
This time, this time, this time, the party challenge. It’s early next year. Do you see the possibility, Minister Han Dong-hoon?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
I wouldn’t do that. It’s too fast.
◀ anchor ▶
after that After that, the establishment of the new party will follow this flow.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
I see it that way.
◀ anchor ▶
If that’s the case, then Lee Jun-seok is in the party right now. Political life is on the brink of death, so how do we move now? one year ahead.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Of course, he did that kind of politics behind the scenes against the people.
◀ anchor ▶
I’m thinking of one more thing, so I’m asking Daegu Mayor Hong Jun-pyo. What kind of road will Mayor Hong Jun-pyo take?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Perhaps the next mayor cannot be Hong Jun-pyo or Oh Se-hoon. Because I am a public servant now. That’s why he confirms his presence while doing such social media politics, but he also sees real politics well. From such a position as a political critic, I will keep my presence alive.
◀ anchor ▶
Hong Jun-pyo or Oh Se-hoon, these people have no choice but to become rivals in their relationship with Minister Han Dong-hoon.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Yes. However, if President Yoon Seok-yeol is acting like the Crown Prince, it is our opinion that some former prosecutors will appear as presidents in a row, and their thoughts will be different.
◀ anchor ▶
To say that they have different opinions, President Yun Seok-yeol thinks that Minister Han Dong-hoon is a very practically specific next title. Do you see it like this?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Now, former spokesman Lee Dong-hoon also spoke, but 99% of President Yoon Seok-yeol’s style speaks for himself, and he does not listen even if the elders speak. Isn’t this a fact we all know? Now Lee Dong-hoon, former spokesman, only confirmed it. President Yoon Seok-yeol will surely watch with interest in the growth of Minister Han Dong-hoon, who is closest to him.
◀ anchor ▶
Let me ask you some current issues. Missile crash. How do you see it?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
It’s impossible. When you shoot, you go forward, but Hyunmoo 2C goes backwards. And to such defenseless citizens, accidents can happen again without announcing to the public. If there was an accident and there was no announcement for 8 hours, it is a very big problem, and if that is the case, when and how who reported to President Yoon Seok-yeol, the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces, and what was the first speech of President Yun Seok-yeol?
◀ anchor ▶
Why was such a report delayed and not known to the public? What are you guessing?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
It’s supposed to be hidden. The Yoon Seok-yeol administration is good at lying. So in North Korea, I don’t want to criticize the military. We are Hyunmoo, this time Hyunmoo 2C, but Hyunmoo 2A also failed to launch. That’s why North Korea fires a lot of missiles. It also fails there. That’s why we do a lot of test firing. I mean, our military couldn’t test fire. That is why such a mistake occurred, but somehow, from the beginning to the end, this time the military was very wrong. We need to reflect on this and move forward so that we can do well and succeed in the test launch in the future. Don’t be discouraged here. I’ll tell you that.
◀ anchor ▶
In politics, in the ruling party. It’s the previous government’s fault. How do you counter that part?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
The best feature of this administration is that it continues to blame the previous administration. So if you go up, if you keep going up, you will reach President Park Chung-hee. That’s nonsense.
◀ anchor ▶
About the response more because of the unknown part of the camel accident.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
We’re talking about response. You can fail. But the failure was also shot in front of the world, but where is the flying backwards? In the case of North Korea, many test launches are fired from inland in the West Sea to the East Sea. That’s how confident you are. They may not fall on North Korean soil and there will be no casualties. But we shot from the East Sea side and shot into the East Sea, but it was really embarrassing because we went back.
◀ anchor ▶
What should I do about the timing of the President’s report or something that you mentioned briefly earlier but is not responding?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
That must be talked about. And I have to investigate this through a state audit in the Democratic Party. Isn’t that a huge problem? But not saying anything is impossible.
◀ anchor ▶
Controversy over the Board of Audit and Inspection, let me ask you one question. The Democratic Party is saying that the audit by the Board of Audit and Inspection itself has an illegal element, how do you view it?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
That’s illegal. There are procedural flaws and you have violated the procedural democracy laws. The audit committee has to make a decision and audit, but now, regular audits are only possible with the approval of the president. Are murder cases constant in the West Sea? Is it a regular audit that the Board of Audit and Inspection will investigate a former president? This is impossible. This is rude. And worse, the President is a constitutional institution and has no time to care about it. As I said, this is also a lie. Because look. Director-General Han Dong-hoon of the Board of Audit and Inspection sent a text message to Chief Wang of the Presidential Office. Reporting to Chief Wang is the same as reporting to the President.
◀ anchor ▶
That’s what the Secretary-General is saying.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
So thanks.
◀ anchor ▶
This is Han Dong-hoon from the Board of Audit and Inspection.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
top notch.
◀ anchor ▶
Are you talking about President Yoo?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
If President Yoo made a text message to Chief Wang, it is the same as reporting to the President. If we did report to the president, he seldom reports directly to the president. That’s why I reported this to the President. Then, however, President Yoon Seok-yeol is a constitutional institution, so he has nothing to do with it. This cartoon tells the same story. Even though he said he didn’t have the time to do that, he sent cherries and called lawmakers, so it’s like this, so overall, I can’t believe it right now.
◀ anchor ▶
What do you think about the case that the family of the murdered public official and the family of the civil servant reported to the director?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Well, since we have already been accused by the prosecution at the National Intelligence Service, I don’t care what the victims’ families do.
◀ anchor ▶
Are you currently investigating the NIS case? Or is there nothing?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
No contact. There is only a search and seizure of accusations, and there is no contact after that.
◀ anchor ▶
You’re talking about raids in the old days.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Yes.
◀ anchor ▶
No investigation other than that.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Nothing.
◀ anchor ▶
No progress?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Sometimes I get text messages.
◀ anchor ▶
What is it?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
Since you have been assigned to several rooms, if you have any complaints, please contact them. I have no complaints. Investigate quickly and clear the charges, I am not caught. I want to do this.
◀ anchor ▶
Are you texting that too?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
no. I don’t send
◀ anchor ▶
Time is running out. The prosecution’s all-round investigation into Democratic Party leader Lee Jae-myung continues. There are people who are talking about the Democratic Party’s countermeasures or some alternatives for President Lee Jae-myung. How do you rate it?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
It’s not right to talk like that now. It is not desirable to conduct an all-round crackdown on the representatives of the main opposition party and the large opposition party that has about two-thirds of the seats in the parliament. That’s why the Democrats need to unite and fight now. about this issue. However, it is not advisable to talk about alternatives or other things. You shouldn’t, I see it that way.
◀ anchor ▶
You are defining the prosecution’s all-round investigation as a political investigation. Is this definitely a way out, as a Democrat? How is it?
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
I think it’s out for now. Also, he is claiming that, and this is not necessarily. What is the political investigation and political repression to investigate rival candidates in all directions after being elected president and coming to power? Isn’t this unavoidable?
◀ anchor ▶
Democrats can easily overcome this situation. Because in some cases, according to the front line conducted by the prosecution, more than 100 prosecutors are mobilized to conduct an all-round investigation.
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
There are about 3,000 prosecutors, and even if all of them get involved, you have that kind of confidence. No one knows that. I don’t know either. However, Chairman Lee Jae-myung is proud as the representative of a large opposition party with two-thirds of the seats in the first opposition party. So you have to fight.
◀ anchor ▶
I will listen to you today. thank you
◀ Park Ji-won, former director of the National Intelligence Service ▶
thank you
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